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Poll: Do you like the direction Logic is heading since Apple bought it from emagic? (128 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you like the direction Logic is heading since Apple bought it from emagic?

  1. Yes, I have faith after seeing what Apple have done with the other Pro Applications (75 votes [55.97%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.97%

  2. No, I miss emagic (11 votes [8.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.21%

  3. Maybe, Lets wait and see what Logic 8 brings (44 votes [32.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.84%

  4. Logic got the Axe, I already switched to another DAW. (4 votes [2.99%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.99%

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#21 kanker

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Posted 18 October 2005 - 11:17 PM

I miss emagic if for no reason other than there was someone with an actual name that you could call for support, and for free no less. I miss the responsiveness of emagic, and the fact that Logic was their livelihood. Apple has seemed more impressed with what they can extract from Logic than what they can do to improve it. As long as Logic is updated months after GB is in order to ensure compatibility with GB, I will not be impressed with Apple's handling of Logic.

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Posted 18 October 2005 - 11:27 PM

Come on, you really feel logic 7.1 was a "paid upgrade"..... 20bucks ? It was a way to deliver/ship the logic users the version that should have come at 7.0.... 7.1 can not be considered a "new" version.

I feel I paid $20 for them to fix major bugs that should have been fixed for free and to allow me to be compatible with a consumer app (GB), which should have been done for free. I paid $300 for a Pro app upgrade a little over 6 months after paying $300 for a Pro app upgrade (6 Pro, 7 Pro), the .1 'upgrade' should have shipped gratis. Period.

Edited by kanker, 18 October 2005 - 11:28 PM.


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Posted 19 October 2005 - 10:33 AM

Come on, you really feel logic 7.1 was a "paid upgrade"..... 20bucks ? It was a way to deliver/ship the logic users the version that should have come at 7.0.... 7.1 can not be considered a "new" version.

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My point is that I am ok paying for an upgrade. Though 7.1 cost only a small sum for the update, it was on top of the $250 or so for 7. If it offered features that were above and beyond what 7 was, fine, but the only reason for me to go was to make the thing work with multiple sound cards... a feature that worked just fine under OS9. They broke it. They should have fixed that free of charge, especially when you consider we had just paid the OS update, too. Paying for another "oops" on their part is not worth $20. I'll be fine downloading a bugfix from the Apple site.

I'm sure I'll be more than happy to pay for Logic 8, as long as Apple address the issues. PDC and multi-card support were a couple of them, but they have yet to implement a proper audio editor and they should probably work out samplerate conversion of files imported from iMovie, as well.

#24 Peter

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 10:43 AM

but the only reason for me to go was to make the thing work with multiple sound cards... a feature that worked just fine under OS9. They broke it. They should have fixed that free of charge, especially when you consider we had just paid the OS update, too. Paying for another "oops" on their part is not worth $20. I'll be fine downloading a bugfix from the Apple site.

This is a feature of the OS, NOT Logic. OS X 10.4 allowed for Device Aggregation. NOT 7.1
Before 10.4 the use of multiple core audio devices was not possible.
I do agree all of the Added features in Logic 7.1 should have been in the initial release of Logic 7.

But to call it a new version ( a paid upgrade is not accurate ) 7.1 was released to give us what 7.0 should have had, thats why there was a minimal fee charged, not an upgrade charge.

I miss emagic if for no reason other than there was someone with an actual name that you could call for support, and for free no less.  I miss the responsiveness of emagic, and the fact that Logic was their livelihood. 

I totally agree with this, but I do think that Logic will contine to grow and be a feature rich DAW, we just wont have our asses scratched as it happens. :wink:

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#25 smillie54

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 11:11 PM

I probably shouldn't rise to this but just in case there was a hint of sincerity in this 'argument'..

Quote 'rlsproductions'... ' no choice but to buy a Mac.'... well, you could look at it as ditching a loyal user base whilst enforcing an ultimatum in platform choice... or you could also look at it from several other perspectives. I think quite a few people would agree when stating that the majority of music studios use macs. Yes, there are PC studios out there but I would say we're talking a 70-80% majority in the industry. In the consumer market, I would say the reverse. However, there is also the high probability that the majority of that same consumer market didn't pay for their copy of logic such is the prolific database of hacked PC software available. eMagic did sell up for a reason. Steinberg sold up for similar reasons...Pinnacle sold up Steinberg because they didn't have the internal structure to turn Cubase et al around to compete with exisitng stars such as Logic and Pro Tools and rising stars such as DP and Sonar.

Also, Pro Tools doesn't fall to the same prey so much with Pro Tools because of their control of the software via hardware... and unfortunately/ fortunately depending on which side fo the fence you reside, hardware can't be hacked and downloaded all that easily. Digi get a bad wrap for that though, and it also forces people to cross compare Digi's hardware of choice with competing software on less monopolous software.. hence Digi's new adoption of M-Powered stuff. Look at the specs of say a DIGI 002 vs a MOTU 828 or something. Outside of the reduced number of inputs, the mic pres on Digi stuff are not known for being the best, and you can't even use their hardware properly with other software. You get cut down plugs in LE systems, limited track counts, you can't even sync to video without buying an addition DV kit which costs the same again as a 'cheaper' MBox system. They are far from perfect.

Anyway, whilst going to mac doesn't secure against cracking software, it does reduce the risk, combined with dongles. However, if you only have the one platform to code for, it does speed up development. All development man power on the same system. Adobe dropped Premiere Support for the Mac past 6.5 I think... prob because Final Cut started to kick it's arse, but you know, now they can specialise coding for just PCs... and since they have done that they have released far greater improvements to the package.

Plus, look at the rate of development of Logic under Apple, eMagic didn't release at such a rate... and when they did, you might not have paid for the updates so regularly, but you paid for every single instrument/ effect they did... individually. Space Designer was about 2-300 US dollars when it came out. EXSMKII was the same... never mind the ES1 and 2... etc.

It has been bumpy road, don't get me wrong, I've cursed it quite fluently at times, but because of this, I don't jump in and upgrade straight away unless it's for bug fixes which have been proved to have been ironed out. It takes dicipline to deny gear lust you know!

Another view point would be the fact that Apple wanted to gurantee the performance of Logic and to do that, they had to use their hardware which they already had faith in. Everyone knows about the crap with PC drivers and latency issues etc and this is significantly reduced with Macs running OSX. Core Audio and MIDI, and the use of Audio Units, has transformed the power and responsiveness of plug-ins. Yes, I can see it being annoying having the odd plug in that hasn't been updated to run in OSX, and there are only a few these days, but I reckon people should be able to take it on the chin and revel in the new found benefits. I don't think it's all that healthy to rely so heavily on the power of plugs to define your sound anyway. There are generally work arounds if you look hard enough.

Another thing about Audio Units is that the reason they tend to be a bit flakey with 3rd party plugs is that the authentication code is a lot stricter these days to make sure it runs well in Logic itself. The more Logic gets streamlined to more efficiently take advantage of Tiger and all that OS jazz, it's just stricter as to how it goes about it's operations. Any sloppy code throws it. Things such as RTAS and VST were so loosely written so that they could work on practically an infinite variation of processor hosts and hardware configurations and operating systems that they were pretty 'open' shall we say.

'(Apple Loops are useless tools to a real musician, compared to EXS24)' See subjective comment in previous post. Just cos you don't use 'em doesn't mean that others don't.

'For such a DAW workhorse Logic has awful editing, comparded to Pro Tools' - most people would agree with you to some extent here.. but it has improved... and you can do most region editing in the arrange these days.

They better sell Logic 8 for dirt cheap or I am going back to Pro Tools! - Should they be compared... and why do you give when it looks like you've already made your mind up!

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#26 nailz

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Posted 21 October 2005 - 07:35 AM

Well, to be frank I don't know about this feature. How does it works ?
What I call "MIDI chunks", is something like audio regions, with a MIDI window where we can organize and classify MIDI data grouped in regions. This way we can manage for example a MIDI groove with variations, breaks, etc. Today I must use tracks with no output to organize this kind of material, but as you can image, it is very limited ! But perhaps there is a better way to do this. :dknow:

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this is a good idea. a window like the audio window but for midi, so that you can delete midi from the arrange without worrying about loosing it completely :good:




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